Avoid using in excessively damp or humid conditions.Finger marks on the bare plastic will appear in the final finish. Try the sequence below...works for me everytime and i got it from the guys and gals on this forum! It's a shame your paint job did not turn out, but it's definitely a learning experience and there is always a second time! Even though Tamiya is not a true acrylic, I have NEVER had issues using solvent type washes over it. Here in Canada, it can take up to 3 days. So I have come to the point where I'm satisfied with the top of the fuselage, now it's time for the belly of the aircraft. The same can happen to stickers if you are painting clear coat on top of them. As such it will eat through your solvent-based barrier (Gloss Coat). As an aside, my frustrations with finding a good and consistent gloss coat have inspired me to pit pretty much all the ones I can find against each other, head to head. In my experience airbrushing it, it dries to the touch within a few minutes, and at about 30 minutes to an hour you can easily apply decals. And will an enamel clear coat be fine over acrylic?? “Clear Gloss – Tamiya X-19 Clear + Gunze Mr. or laquer, acrylics do not adhere well to bare plastic so be very, very I have used the Mr. Color clears over MM enamel, Tamiya acrylics, and Vallejo acrylics without a problem. One of my first builds...i did the exact same thing. Only the Humbrol will eat through the plastic bottles. It’s 27’ Celsius and sunny in Melbourne today so the acrylic coats are touch dry in 10 mins. Our community is FREE to join. I totally agree Don.....So i will edit my post by saying that i use Vallejo, Tamiya and Model Master acrylic paints exclusively. Strip and start over. For best results allow up to one week. Even with the Airscale decals, the P-51B cockpit is a little bit on the spartan side. I totally agree with the pros on here who say to coat with future and then use the panel wash. Future works really well for these products in my experience. As a rule of thumb before applying any sort of enamel based washes to plastic I always apply 2 coats of Future floor polish over the surface, making sure there's no where for the wash to sneak into. After a day or two drying time, I rub it out the X-22 with 1,500 then 4,000 foam pads for a smooth decaling surface. Allow to cure for 1 hour before coating with Alclad Candy Enamels. Enamel thinner should not damage a lacquer paint, UNLESS you use enamel thinner over Testors' lacquer Metalizer Paints. Tamiya panel line is a strong solvent-based product. The enamel thinner will immediatly disolve the Metalizer paint. I have Iso alcohol, or water, and I can get the very small bottles of Tamiya thinner. Even when sprayed indoors. Ain't no reason to hang my head, I could wake up in the mornin' dead. I waited a few minutes for it to dry, then use Humbrol enamel thinner on a cotton bud to clean up. Krylon also puts out a matte or dull clear coat. The old fashioned way of doing things. Ive used Vallejos clear gloss for a few models and have noticed that I can still leave fingerprints in the finish even after a week of letting it dry. When using Tamiya Clear Flat (matt varnish, NOT Flat Base), what is the best thinning ratio for spraying, and what's the prefered thinner ? By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. Make sure that when doing clean up, you just get the cotton bud DAMP. Consider every kit you've ruined to be one more mistake you won't make again and soon you will be mistake free (a man can dream). I guess in the future I'll always prime with acrylics. I don't like that stuff, for reasons stated previously. Therefore, following an overall base coat, details can be added or picked out using enamel and/or acrylic paints. The paint is a synthetic lacquer that cures in a short period of time. The solvents in the Tamiya will not affect the underlaying paint through the acrylic barrier coat. Oil paint washes (Windsor and Newton oil paints with odorless turpentine). Works great for both sludge washes and pin washes. It will slow the drying time and allow the gloss coat to settle even more. Tamiya USA Featured Items Paint & Finishing Products Painting is one of the most important steps in the model-making process, and quality coloring is made easy using Tamiya paint and finishing materials! One problem these days is that the definition of the type of paint is broadening. I just did my Tamiya with X22 and it came out great but I did 2 coats over 3 days, being careful how I handled it. One suggestion if you have it is to pop 1 drop of retarder or flow improver into the mix as well. I have always been a Tamiya arcrylic user but I'm trying to improve the detail of panel lines- have been wanting to use the Tamiya enamel panel liner but was wondering if you had any tips as to how to protect the arcrylic layers below? Clean with the odorless turpentine . Should I be nervous, however, to do extensive masking on them even if they've cured a few days and if they're on a primed surface? For enamel, I use the "sniff" test to make sure the piece is completely dry. Looked a little like what you see in a drying creek bed. I have found that using drafting ink in Dk.Grey and Black work well . better). I think most people have problems brushing the paint, not spraying. If I am painting with enamels with a lacquer (Gloss Coat) sealer, I will wash & detail with a water or alcohol-based material (water paint or ink). The top of the aircraft is much more complex, so I'm using MM enamels since there will be a few different masking jobs for a winter camo pattern. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. It sounds like you may have learned a lot along the way and your next kit will be even better. Humbrol enamel thinners are quite potent in terms of dissolving power. Our community is FREE to join. Some people say a minimum of 2 days, other say a couple hours … Concur with rlhart13. Thanks everyone for the feedback. I made a similar mistake on a Mk.IV a few months ago with Tamiya panel wash. Each contains 100ml of paint, which is enough to fully cover 2 or 3, 1/24 scale sized car bodies. It’s a British paints clear coat paint and prime satin finish. Ross Martinek Didn't have to spray a really heavy coat … A lot of the newer enamel washes and effects are designed for adding dirt and grime, they will collect in recesses and start chewing away at it if you over apply. i have not had a problem with this sequence since i started using it. Instead use a water/acrylic based barrier coat,  such as Future or Pledge w/ Future. It won't yellow, and it is also compatible with almost anything I can think of since it is water based. Fortunately I'll be able to touch this up pretty easily. We've all been in the same position where we really liked a kit and then something ate it or we made a mistake that spoiled it. Acrylics cure from the outside in, like most paints, and Read the fine print on the side panel of the label: "Danger, EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE liquid and vapor, Contents Ethyl Benzene, Xylene, Mineral Spirit, and Pigment.". Dry time 15-30 minutes. Always best to experiment on a test mule. View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois. Even then the coverage will be uneven, and the weight begins to mount up. I waited ~36 hours, and using Tamiya tape (which is nice and lo-tack) I noticed that the painted underside was fragile - had just a little bit of pull-up. I've done this as well. I use the Tamiya sponges dry as there so little material being removed. If I have to mask it, it WILL get primed. I use an acrylic like Future or Aqua Gloss as a barrier coat. I just love how easy they are to work with and clean up. or are other detailing media better? View our, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials, https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/87131_133panel_accent/index.htm. Stay tuned. Thanks again. Works great for both sludge washes and pin washes. Hey folks - I've recently discovered the joy of working with Tamiya's acrylics in the AB. ... Spray the second colour in the same way as the first: light coat, drying time, heavy coat, drying time. Anyone have any horror stories? We have to develop new rules of thumb. As a general rule, always prime. If I have painted with Acrylics I wash & detail with a solvent-based product (oils thinned with Turpenoid). Are you talking about the X-22 clear? I have had my best luck with Tamiya acrylics, thinned with water. If it's some kind of spray can, you might want to wait longer though, as spray cans mist a lot more paint onto the model and usually take longer to fully cure. Allow the paint to be clear-coated to fully cure before applying TS13. You may have to do some tests on some scraps. Ah man, what a bummer. Leveling Thinner, followed by a misted coat of straight leveling thinner.” I suppose that X-19 should read something else (maybe X-22) cause X-19 is Smoke and unless you intend to cover your model with some sort of dark filter, it wouldn’t do. I guess some folks have problems with them but I have had none so far (knock wood). Acrylic Gloss Coat X 2 (I use Future Floor Shine), 3. But I'm wondering how long I should wait before masking a painted surface for camo. 3.4oz (100ml) can of Tamiya Color Spray Lacquer for Plastic Models (TS-80 Gloss Clear) For Adult Modelers Only. But as I said, I do use a tack cloth afterwards. time. I lay down a coat of acrylic Vallejo Satin Varnish and never had a problem with Tamiya panel liner removing underlying acrylic base. Curing time depends primarily on temperature. Well, the thinner seems to have eaten into the gloss coat and it looks awful - it started looking ghostly white. To participate you must either login or register for an account. I'd hate to do all that work and then have it wrecked. I've never had fully curred Tamiya paint come off the surface with a masking material of any kind. least 24 hours to cure (48 would be better, and more even Thanks. Good luck and let us know how it goes! Hi, I know you replied here 6 months ago- wondering if you can help, or anyone for that matte. - Winston Churchill. Unlike enamel Also, I like to lay a clear coat down Seems to dry harder as well. However, I think you will find most users on here will agree the Testors does a far superior job. I had researched this well, watching several videos before giving it a go. As the carrier evaporates the shine will develop. I apply the Tamiya acrylic base coat, let it dry, then apply a pledge floor polish coat to help protect the paint and make panel lining easier. between colors, just to "seal the deal" if you know what I mean. Some plastics react poorly to enamel washes and will crumble or become brittle and snap when touched. 3. Not sure what rubbing alchol would do to a clear coat, but thats what I use to clean all my brushes after using Tamiya paints, works like a charm. Most panel lines don't hold enough of them for this to be a problem but it's always best to do 2 thin coats than 1 large. I thought that it was easier to put on a glossy coat. is pledge with future appropriate here? With very light dust coats, the solvent wont stay liquid long enough to attack them. This will prevent the clear coat from cracking due to different cure rates from the paint underneath. Disclaimer: I use Mr. Color Thinner, rather than Tamiya's lacquer thinner, but they're essentially the same stuff. I don't use dullcoat or Tamiya panel line accent color, so I don't have any recommendations for those two products. Use Testors Clear Dullcoat. Yea it could deffiantly be the thinner, I know it claims water wash up but I've tried with brushes just washing with soap and water and it never works. in which i explore the many legends of this apparently magical way of making yo model shine like a diamond in a goat's ass. I can feel your pain. I am eager to finish this puppy (the lack of noxious fumes is a real pleasure) but I don't want to destroy my work so far. Tamiya spray paints are not affected by acrylic or enamel paints. If so- how would you advise their use? I’m sorry that it happened but you’re not alone we’ve all learned from our mistakes. No matter how careful I am when applying it, it does not just stay in the panel lines, as it should. Though it will thin Tamiya paint, never use water as a thinner. I was planning on using 3mm Tamiya masking take to make sure the line along the bottom is as straight as can be. Give it at I have used Tamiya Panel Line directly over Vallejo with no ill affects with the exception of some shadowing where the liner pigment gets trapped among the paint pigments. In fact, I keep many solvents in small, plastic dropper bottles--everything from Humbrol thinners to lacquer thinner. As I'm novice- how is it best applied? I've found that Tamiya panel liner is a bit hot. Computer, did we bring batteries?.....Computer? Thanks for the advice everyone. Drying time depends on temperature and relative humidity. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. Adhesion is indifferent in my experience, and they need several coats at angles to each other. Leave adequate drying time between coats. Cool temperatures generally slow curing, warmer temperatures speed it up. Personally I'd be very reluctant to mask unprimed acrylic at any We now have acrylic lacquers. Sorry you ran into this on your pride and joy. Depending on what type of solvent type used to clean up, it may or may not attack another solvent type surface so why risk it? To be on the safe side I never use a solvent type wash over a solvent type topcoat. It's best to apply them in small amounts over the gloss and don't let them pool. Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!! They stay on after you do your lines and then clearcoat them .Then Topcoat . Apply 1 medium coat at 20-30PSI to clean bare plastic. 2. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Particulary as enamels are harder to find. Back to the D.520…after being burned way too many times, I refused to trust the Tamiya decals, so I picked up a sheet from Berna Decals. Dip the cotton bud into the turpentine, Roll it on paper towel until ALMOST dry than clean up. My last build was painted with Tamyia lacquer Italian Red and over coated with Testors' flat lacquer. I just tried using Tamiya Clear Acrylic as my gloss coat. What have I done wrong? A Little Bling. Candy Enamel top coats: ... X-22 is not designed to be used as clear coat … My rule of thumb is to always mix my media. You may have to put the weathering on a little thick or use multiple applications as a clear coat may fade the weathering. Much better performance than with X-20A in my opinion. What sort of time frame should I give before spraying an enamel clear coat? Tamiya Panel Line Accent - 1st time problems. These are the instructions for using Tamyia Panel Line: https://www.tamiya.com/english/products/87131_133panel_accent/index.htm. The key is to apply a mist coat...let that dry for 15 minutes or so before you spray heavier coats. The Tamiya product is actually a thin ink. I used Testors' enamel thinner to clean up the excess Tamyia Panel Line with no problem.The Tamyia Panel Liner is an enamel paint and must be cleaned up with enamel thinner. If it hasn't dried it will be absorbed and unless you're painting a light colour it should clean up perfectly. I've used no primer, I'll be using Tamiya's tape too, and I know this paint dries fast but I think it may take a while to cure fully so that it can handle being masked over. Tamiya “PC” paints. i have not had a problem with this sequence since i … What happens is the problem you describe...where the paints dry at different rates (this happens more with enamel i belive as lacquers have a little faster drying time) OR crazing happens because the lacquer/enamel paint does not fully gas out. And clear coat with an acrylic seams to help - but I run into these paint/thinner compatiblities a lot as well. When I have a contract model to build the only clear coat I use is Tamiya X-22 clear acrylic. I've had thick coats of Halfords paint take several weeks to cure hard enough to be immune to fingerprints in winter. On a hot/warm day, Tamiya primers are often dry to the touch within several minutes, but I usually wait an hour or two before painting over it to make sure its … No problem here since I'm going back and dry brushing to pop the shadows intended by the panel liner. High humidity slows drying, high temperature speeds it. the surface will dry long before the inside cures. So there is something in there that is a bit too strong for some applications. Any ideas? actually before clear coating with most clear coat paints you should wait a month or more...more with lacquers and enamels. Let the Gloss coat dry for at least 24 hours (i let it dry for 2 days minimum), 4. It always slops over, leaving a big cleanup job, and I end up with an "overweathered" model that just looks dirty all over. I think I've managed to wreck one of the finest builds I've ever done!I coated my FW190 in Testors gloss coat, let it dry, and applied Tamiya Panel Line Accent. Let the Gloss coat dry for at least 24 hours (i let it dry for 2 days minimum) 4. Also when cleaning up try something milder like turpenoid. I can personally attest to having problems brush painting the Tamiya Acrylics, however they work beautifully when airbrushed. 1) enamels OR acrylics should dry/cure overnight, unless doing multiple coats of the same color, then just an hour or so; 2) enamels OR acrylics should dry/cure 3-5 days before masking; 3) NEVER put enamel over acrylic or acrylic over enamel until the under coat has cured a full week. “Adequate” is a “how long is a piece of string” question, and will vary on temperature, humidity, the type of paint, and how thick you put it on. I'm hoping I continue to be lucky. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. I suspect that is the problem. Faster drying time, better levelling, better atomisation, smoother, glossier finish. Oil paint washes (Windsor and Newton oil paints with odorless turpentine) 5. Don't soak it and than try to clean up with it that wet. For Tamiya panel liner I found just a dry q tip will take the excess off fine. Various details were picked out with some light drybrushing and detail painting with Vallejo “Glossy Blacky”, Tamiya XF-7 Red, Floquil Old Silver, and Model Master Chrome Silver topped with Tamiya Clear Red to represent indicator lights. "The farther back you look, the farther forward you are likely to see." That means not less than 24 hours at 68° F, preferably 36 to 48 hours. Kev Some say as soon as it’s dry, others say wait 24 hours?? As a matter of fact, one of the model shows I attended had a weathering class where the instructor used Tamiya clear semigloss as a barrier over Alclad metallic paint he was weathering. Theoretically it’s quite possible to get 4 coats of paint on in one day – but only if the weather is on your side. The enamel thinner is too hot and will eat through almost anything. Your paint job is screwed. Tiny cracks would appear in the surface as the Future dried. In other words, wait for the primer coat to be completely dry before going to the color coat, and wait for the color coat to be completely dry before going to the clear coat, etc. Paints are now being labeled with the pigment, the vehicle, or the solvent. A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing…. If you are of a mind to try it, Tamiya lacquer thinner will deliver even better results than X-20A, as it extends the drying time a little more and gives the paint more time to level. The initial masking that I had to do was just to prevent overspray onto the pre-painted underside of an aircraft - an 1/48 Hasegawa Hs-129 B3 that (convenientally) has a nicely angled fuselage, so there wasn't too much masking to do. If you spray a heavy, wet coat directly over other types of paints, or even over decals....all sorts of undesirable things might occur. Will digest and tread carefully through this minefield. As Malcolm says, X20A to thin so you're good to go. I have had no problem with Tamiya bonding to unprimed plastic, provided the plastic was CLEAN, and the paint was THOROUGHLY cured. How about liquid mask products on an acrylic surface? careful when removing the masking tape. It is even a nice top coat for decals over … My question is, how long do I really need to let the base coat dry for before applying pledge? He liked the semigloss cause it gave enough bite for the solvent type filters and artist oil paints but could easily be cleaned up. 27€™ Celsius and sunny in Melbourne today so the acrylic barrier coat using enamel and/or paints. Retarder or flow improver into the turpentine, Roll it on paper towel until almost dry than clean up it. 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